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Nassau Notebook: NIFA Takeover Anniversary

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NIFA Takeover Anniversary

Thursday marked the one-year anniversary of the takeover of Nassau County’s finances by a state oversight board. The Nassau Interim Finance Authority (NIFA) instituted the control period after the county ran an estimated deficit of $176 million in fiscal year 2011.

The Mangano administration attempted to block the takeover through the courts, but eventually dropped the suit and numerous announcements of cutbacks followed, as well as layoffs of union workers.

“I welcome NIFA's oversight, but after one year I don't see much improvement in the county's financial situation and although NIFA has not been enthusiastic of [Mangano's] policies, they have still supported them,” new legislative minority leader Kevan Abrahams, D-Hempstead, said in a statement. “We still face a looming deficit and this administration has yet to propose a clear road map as to how we're getting out of the hole.”

Mangano Backs Cuomo Mandate Relief and Pension Reform Plans

On Monday, New York State Lt. Gov. Robert Duffy joined Nassau County Executive Ed Mangano, Suffolk County Executive Steve Bellone and LIA President and CEO Kevin Law to discuss how Governor Andrew Cuomo's mandate reform proposals will save Long Island taxpayers more than $140 million over the next five years and his pension reform proposal will save $10 to 15 billion over the next 30 years.

According to Mangano, the governor's executive budget closes the current $2 billion budget deficit with no new taxes or new fees. It also proposes sweeping mandate relief and pension reform that will save taxpayers and local governments billions of dollars.

Highlights of the mandate relief plan include:

  • Creating a plan for the state to take over 100 percent of the costs of Medicaid growth that will be phased in over three years, saving local governments $1.2 billion over the next five years;
  • Creating a pension reform plan that will save state taxpayers and local governments outside New York City $83 billion, and will save New York City $30 billion over the next 30 years

More specifically, Cuomo proposed sweeping structural reforms to relieve local governments of state mandates that drive up local costs, according to a release from Mangano. These reforms, which address the largest cost-drivers for local governments, will help municipal leaders meet the pressures of the prolonged economic downturn, and will help local governments meet the goals of the property tax cap.

"Not only is the governor balancing New York's budget, he is also finally addressing the burden of state-imposed mandates on local municipalities with his mandate relief plan," Mangano said. "His proposal to take over the growth of Medicaid costs for counties is especially welcome news."

Two Women Wanted in Connection with Deception Burglaries

Nassau County Police have issued composite sketches of two unknown women wanted in connection with a series of deception burglaries that are preying on elderly homeowners throughout the county.

The pair, which are believed to be working as a team, are wanted in connection with a series of residential deception burglaries that began in December and have continued through January.

"Reading with the Monsters" Program

Mangano and New York State Assemblyman Harvey Weisenberg joined Monster Truck Driver Greg Winchenbach and children from the Peninsula Public Library to celebrate after reading more than 4,000 books collectively as part of the "Reading with Monsters" Program. The Nassau Library System and Monster Jam partnered to promote reading amongst children between the ages of 4 and 12 from Nov. 9, 2011 – Jan. 16, 2012. A five-week reading program was offered through 54 libraries within the Nassau Library System.

Five Towns Patch will have full video coverage of the event on Monday. Be sure to check back then.

Mac February 3, 2012 at 05:08 pm
James can you tell me how unfunded mandates tell that teachers are doing thir work like AIDS Training, requirement for assistant teachers, internal auditor, claims auditor,wellness commitee, building condition survey, SAVE legislation, State education core curriculm revisions,Early Intervention, special education space requirments, pesticide notification........this list can go on and on but so much doesnt relate to measuring teachers ability or accountability. Yes you are correct there are bad teachers out there no doubt. Did you make that call yet?? You probably couldve met with superintendent by now. You really are nothing more than a keyboard cowboy because it is easy to give your opinion much harder to actually look at the facts with someone who knows. Wouldnt you want to know an actual number is costs your district for these mandates? I did.
vinny dinussi February 3, 2012 at 06:55 pm
Mac, you asked important questions a few fields back concerning tenure...should a teacher be fired because she's at the top of the pay scale because the district needs the money? The answer is "yes". That's the real world. I witnessed the downsizing of a large company that was selling off many divisions and consolidating. The first employees to go were those at the top of the pay scale in those divisions. They were given incentives, but they still lost their jobs. A class action suit followed citing age and financial discrimination, which they lost. Why shouldn't teachers be a protected class for life? What is the rationale for such blanket, unconditional protection and how does that benefit the students. It doesn't. When you consider that the Asst. Supt. of Curriculum and Technology in Glen Cove is earning over $200,000 and is tenured, you begin to understand that tenure is a scam. The BOE is trying to revoke that status and she in turn has sued the school board. This was all on yesterday's Patch. She's not a teacher but an administrator and her job is now protected for life. She will retire with a huge benefits package and Glen Cove will pay it. She cannot be fired. I'll reiterate, attend school board meetings. Learn and speak out. It has to start somewhere.
vinny dinussi February 3, 2012 at 07:05 pm
Margaret, good points. I've noticed that the country as a whole has increased teacher responsibilities that one time were the purview of parents, while at the same teachers authority has been restricted and constantly called into question. In effect, the teacher is being neutered while the rights of students are being expanded. My wife has friends who say they will not touch a student physically for fear of charges being brought against them. No doubt about it, the teacher today faces enourmous problems that have little to do with teaching. There was a time when what was taught in the home was reinforced by society. Today, society in many cases, undermines the values and principles taught in the home, that is, if there is a home and if there are any values being taught there.
Frank February 3, 2012 at 07:46 pm
@ james marshall.
Your comment on consolidation is true. Affluent areas do hate the idea of pooling money. That's why funding through real estate taxation is unfair for the rest of Nassau. Costs for labor in Nassau is approximately the same across school districts. Yet there is disproportionate income populations supporting labor, mostly un-balanced compensation, through the current taxation scheme. In the North Shore, population densities are lower because incomes are higher and the ability to pay higher taxes is in proportion to income. The ratio of income vs taxation is balanced, despite the higher taxable figures that are reported. However, on the South Shore, incomes are lower and the ratio much more severe. To compensate, the South Shore uses urban style zoning methods to increase population densities to make up the shortfall. Remember, you only have 370,000 households in Nassau supporting a $6 billion/yr education budget. It would be far more equitable to spread educational costs across 832,532 nassau residents and 38,000 businesses, (1,339,532 less 220,000 students, 214,000 seniors over 65 yrs of age, and 73,000 kids under 5), on a sliding scale based on the ability to pay. Consolidation is just one step towards this goal.
Mac February 3, 2012 at 08:06 pm
Vinny what you and I are bringing up are two different arguments. I agree that tenure should not be for life. But, it should give the teacher some protection. To simply fire a teacher because they make too much based on an agreed system by the teachers and district is not the right way to operate. If you fire a teacher because of pay you will never have good teachers. the door will revolve based on pay not merit. this also would not be good for the student. there needs to be a middle ground. Why is the BOE revoking tenure to an administrator? Did that adm have a history of negligence? Was he written up? Poor job performance? What is their rationale? Is it just salary? Doesnt the board vote on tenure? Somebody approved it didnt they? Vinny I DO attend board meetings and as I have pointed out to James Marshall sat down with a superintendent to discuss these unfunded mandates and when I realized the costs I was blown away. A feel a huge mistake is being made in comparing schools to public jobs that are based on generating and making money. You cannot compare the two because the model is completely different. What I believe we all agree on is something needs to change from Albany right on down to the teacher including us the taxpayer. Vinny thank you for an intelligent response.
James M. February 3, 2012 at 09:07 pm
Again I have had these discussions with teachers and superintendents in the past. I am not new to the subject nor I am naive enough to believe the propoganda protrayed by the Teacher Union or the State. Some of the ones you mentioned are for the Superintendence to report. This is what it takes to run a school. You can use buzz words like "unfunded mandates" but the reality is without these directions from the State who knows what would happen to our schools. Would the school have to be audited to find out if the Superintendent is skimming off the top or writing checks themselves? Would the BOE push special education into the smallest room available if it wasn't mandated? Would the teachers enact the new state requirements? Would the school notify the parents of pesticides being sprayed? Will the Super indicate that a building has maintenance issues if not required to do a building survey?
We all hope that the teachers and supers do the right thing but these directives from the State are to ensure the educational goals of the students are met and the parents are informed timely of changes.
James M. February 3, 2012 at 09:14 pm
I am not saying that the school should be making a profit. I am saying the reason any institution is successful public or private is that all of the employees are looking to increase productivity, including submitting reports, using fewer people and less resources or as put so often, doing more with less.
Could you give me an amount these "unfunded mandates" cost the school? I'm not talking opportunity cost (use of teacher time, superintendent time etc), I'm asking for actual additional dollars spent in Farmingdale for the "Unfunded mandates"? You seem very sure that the School taxes will decrease dramatically if these additional reports were unneeded and I'm just trying to understand your justification for that statement.
James M. February 3, 2012 at 09:15 pm
Well MAC I work in the office world just like the teachers and Superintendents and there is no overtime in this world.
James M. February 3, 2012 at 09:18 pm
I disagree on the seniors not paying since their house price is effected based on the success of the school district but I smell what you're cooking
Mac February 3, 2012 at 09:18 pm
James when did you have the discussion with a superintendent about unfunded mandates in relation to the budget? What superintendent told you these reports are just lie pushing a button? I am sure the taxpayer would love to know. You are very big on comparing private sector to the school. How about your boss tells you to spend your money on all the reports his mandates you to accomplish then tells you to spend all your money on programs someone from a different field came up with then tells you to spend money on fixing up the bathroom or kitchen so your co-workers can eat then tell you to spend your money to research and implement his new strategies? James you only see one side and I am not sure you have the abilty to see it any other way. See you at the next board meeting if you ever go.
Mac February 3, 2012 at 09:34 pm
Well there is no overtime in your world but that doesnt mean it doesnt exist. You dont think schools want to be productive? Productivity in schools doesnt mean success. The state education department are not run by educators and that is a problem. They wield their power arbitrarily. You dont think schools are trying to do more with less? Last year alone there were more layoffs in education then ever.
I cant give you a figure of what the cost were each district is different but is was over a million. But you have to include teacher time because when a teacher is not in class the district must pay a sub. Go speak to your superintendent for business in farmingdale and he will be able to give you a pretty good number from last year. I never once stated taxes will decrease dramatically but every little it would help. The process of change needs to start somewhere.
James M. February 3, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Eww Not a happy camper of keeping someone based on years. You can get rid of some really good young teachers who may take a job somewhere else and then you lose them. I'm not a fan of seniority either unless it has to do with vacation time.
James M. February 3, 2012 at 10:40 pm
I've talked to BOCES supers and teachers. THe problem is with many of these reports is the staff (teachers and superintendents) do not utilize technology properly. Many of these reports should be in a computer but they are printed and filled out by hand ( how many nights copying the same inane accepted comment into multiple childrens reports). In this particular case I was helping her fill them out because she didn't want to do it at school and it made her union rep mad. We developed a Word doc and Excel page to merge the data for the next year. It took half the time to gather the data and 20 minutes to print all the forms. I'm saying there are many inefficiencies within the school system that should be addressed and the cause is usually a passive aggressive resistance to having to fill out the report.
Frank February 3, 2012 at 11:02 pm
@ James Marshall.
If we include seniors over 65 year of age (but a much reduced contributions), you would approve of it? It would be a paradigm shift as school funding will no longer be a real estate taxable item, but income based. I think the equitable distribution of wealth for education funding might even change the make-up of towns, making exclusive neighborhoods more accessible, since those excessive school tax levies would no longer apply. This will cause the blue bloods to run for the hills.
James M. February 3, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Frank the math is killing me because for a couple of two we are talking $11K $12.5K if the $6B figure is correct. I know you don't know that's not the question. Wouldn't it be better to implement a county wide income tax and centralize the school districts. We could get rid of the redundancy of the Supers and possibly alleviate the tax burden on the poorer members of society. Just a thought.
Just to be clear I like your Idea I just don't like the result.
John Rennhack February 3, 2012 at 11:22 pm
1) The teacher at the top of the pay scale has the most experience. So it is in the best interest of the schools to fire teachers with experience and keep the low paid new teachers? Really?
2) Administrators serve at the pleasure of the Board. There is no tenure for administrators. They have a contract.
vinny dinussi February 4, 2012 at 04:51 am
Mac, according to state law, administrators cannot be given tenure. The last Supt. granted this administrator tenure and his board signed off on it. It was an absolute abrogation of the law practiced by one man and his cronies on the Board.How many of them are holdovers on this Board I wonder..
vinny dinussi February 4, 2012 at 05:17 am
Mac, why should the teacher be deserving of more job security than say a bank teller or a secretary or an executive, all of whom can be fired for cause. If tenure provides benefits to the student, school or community, I'd like to know what they are. But wouldn't it satisfy a student, school or community more to know that incompetent teachers will not be held over from year to year. Wouldn't it raise the bar if teachers knew they could be fired for consistently poor performance or unprofessional behavior? I don't think it's fair that in order for a teacher to be fired for any reason, the district must face a costly, lengthy legal battle. This amounts to a ritualistic form of coercion.
Mac February 4, 2012 at 11:45 am
So the BOE granted her tenure illegally now they are trying to revoke it? If I were the ass. Sup I would sue also. But once again after reading the article what did she do to deserve a firing? If you look on their website it appears that a few of them havebeen there a long time.
Mac February 4, 2012 at 11:48 am
Vinny I never said a teacher deserves more job security. Tenure provides benefits to the school and students because you keep the seasoned teachers instead of getting rid of them for new one because of money. I agree with everything you say. A teacher shhould be held acountable for poor performance and fired for incompetence. A teacher should not be fired solely because they are high up on the pay scale.
Margaret February 4, 2012 at 01:57 pm
John, administrators do get tenure. Call your local admin building and ask them- they all have to get tenure to stay in the district
Margaret February 4, 2012 at 02:12 pm
Vinny, although I disagree with many of your points, have no fear. Tenure means less and less now- with the new standards that most US states are adopting, if a teacher has 2 consecutive years of of a poor teacher eval (which now must include test scores) they go on a list and if you go 3 years in a row, the district begins termination proceedings. As of the 2012-2013 teaching is totally different. I don't agree- how can you evaluate a teacher based on the performance of children when children performance can be so unpredictable bc of outside circumstances. 1.25 million are abused annually, 19 million get free or reduced lunch-many of which eat their only meal of the day at school. A child can't perform when things like that are going on in their lives-- the teacher can't control that and there are thousands of other things that effect student achievement that have nothing to do with the teacher. Teachers certainly need to be held accountable but I think we need to find a better way to do it
vinny dinussi February 4, 2012 at 04:39 pm
Margaret, I support an evaluation system that takes all those variables into account. As far as I know, when teachers are evaluated the overall make-up of the class is taken into consideration. No one would expect a teacher with a class with behavioral problems to be evaluated the same way a teacher with high achievers would be. That's where the human element comes in, namely, a principal who knows her teachers and the class composition. A teacher who stems high truancy among her students but test scores remain low deserves high marks, if not high praise, in my book.Tenure made sense in the 50's when salaries and benefits were below the norm and mostly married women with children went into teaching.
vinny dinussi February 4, 2012 at 04:44 pm
Mac, I didn't know she was fired. Yes, the Board wrongly gave her tenure at the Supt.'s request. It was illegal to do so. Didn't Aronstein know that it was illegal?
Bob Shane February 4, 2012 at 04:44 pm
I don't claim to have all the answers in this very complicated process ... but maybe a few of them . And there's no question that many possible outside factors must be weighed in the overall evaluation of any teacher.
This thing is going to be like a recipe that will need some fine-tuning here and there. It's never going to be perfect or liked by everyone, but it just might end up being not that bad. As with everything, time will tell.
Bob Shane February 4, 2012 at 04:45 pm
Considerations:
Attendance record Lesson plan preparation On-the-job conduct Relevant degrees and certifications Effective teaching methods Student progress and achievement Standardized and in-class test results Administrative and peer evaluations Student evaluations Some are pretty straightforward; others, not so much. Everything taken together, however, might provide a clearer picture. Take 'test results', for instance. What might raise a red flag or two here? How about consistent poor results among a majority of the students across all class sessions? The two key words are 'consistent' and 'majority'. This would also apply to student progress and achievement. 'Effective teaching methods' and 'administrative and peer evaluations' tie into one another -- i.e.: The one can determine the other. This can be done over several sessions via in-class observations conducted by specially assigned master teachers and administrators. I'm not an educator, but I believe something like this already takes place with pre-tenured teachers. Finally, and not to be taken lightly, are student evaluations. Oh sure, you're going to get a few wise@sses who will bad-mouth a teacher no matter what, but once again, the two key words -- 'consistent' and 'majority' -- come into play. If a teacher consistently gets bad evaluations from a majority of the students, it should raise a red flag. <cont. on next post>
Margaret February 4, 2012 at 05:08 pm
Wee when 40% of a teachers evaluation comes from test scores, no matter what your class make-up is, only test scores matter. What about special ed teachers-- the special ed kids scores make up a special ed teachers evaluation-- how does that make sense?? The whole process needs to be re-created
Mac February 4, 2012 at 08:31 pm
Vinny I don't actually know if she was fired. I just assumed so by revoking her contract into a one year deal. This seems like a mess. A superintendent recommends tenure which is illegal than the board approves it. Where is any accountability and I don't blame her for suing. Bottom line is the taxpayers will pay one way or the other.
Lisa February 4, 2012 at 09:46 pm
http://front.moveon.org/the-most-aggressive-defense-of-teachers-youll-hear-this-year/#.Ty2gt1l0Hoo.facebook
Frank June 13, 2012 at 04:27 pm
bill in State assembly to override NIFA.

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